Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.
We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals’ tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.
Ok that’s a solid rebuttal around the “is it normal” argument. I’m personally still of the mindset that it’s “normal but wrong”. I wish we’d stop using normal to mean “good” and stick with it meaning “popular”. Statistics!
Yes, animals kill in the wild - to survive. We humans are, as opposed to predators or parasites, omnivores. We know how to grow crops, vegetables, etc. and cultivate fields. We have a choice, a conscience and we have ethics.
Are you identifying with the intelligence and life situation of that of a lion or a tongue parasite? Do you also commonly ask yourself “What would a tongue parasite do in my place right now”? Are lions that kill newborns of other lions, for example, really good role models?
Shouldn’t you take responsibility in the role of the stronger and be considerate with your power? Just because you can do something, doesn’t mean you have to. Otherwise you could maltreat children, handicapped people and all other physically disabled people for fun. Of course we don’t do that because it would be immoral. Why should this moral understanding suddenly no longer apply to other species? Wouldn’t we also wish for mercy and compassion if tomorrow a species superior to us colonized the earth?
Oh, by “blending some oats” you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn’t cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn’t taste like complete garbage.
See, two can play that game…
We artificially inseminate because it’s healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don’t know who told you that garbage. There’s also no milk “stealing”. Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn’t just a problem for high performance cows).
You’ve never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!
You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.
we add tons of god knows what chemicals
This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I’m from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous “chemicals” to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn’t transcends this.
There is (almost) no baby killing going on
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald’s can sell you cheap beef burgers.
most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly
Also, if you don’t want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people! We’re losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC
I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit. :)
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn’t feed it to livestock. that’s a conservation of resources.
I don’t know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.
In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:
2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.
1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.
1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.
196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.
Drinking cows milk is normalized for most people, yes. But normal is a strange word for artificially inseminating another species, getting them pregnant, killing their baby, stealing their mothers milk then killing her way before she gets old. When you could just blend some oats.
We live in a world where there are animals that take the place of other animals’ tongue; where insects farm other insects; where parasites live in the skin of animals and different animals eat them, forming a symbiotic relationship; where predators often kill for fun.
Normal is the right word.
Ok that’s a solid rebuttal around the “is it normal” argument. I’m personally still of the mindset that it’s “normal but wrong”. I wish we’d stop using normal to mean “good” and stick with it meaning “popular”. Statistics!
Normal, natural and necessary are the three N’s of Carnism. Also:
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #1:
Lions eat meat too
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #54
Well, humans just are on top of the food chain.
You’re not allowed to say the truth and make milk boys feel weird.
“Udder Boys against the Oatification of Milk!”
Damn, I need to copyright that! :)
Oh, by “blending some oats” you mean: We sow out unnatural cloned mutant seed, then we spray it with literal poison over and over again to kill every plant and animal that isn’t cloned mutant seed, we add growing agent that kills most nearby water organisms, then we harvest it, remove all of the healthy parts and grind down only the unhealthy fatty part. Next, we add tons of god knows what chemicals to achieve a consistency oats were never meant to have. Lastly, we add tons of highly industrialized suggar and lab grown taste chemicals so that our chemical cocktail doesn’t taste like complete garbage.
See, two can play that game…
We artificially inseminate because it’s healthier for the cows and more convenient. They would be pregnant just as often or even more in a natural herd. There is (almost) no baby killing going on. I don’t know who told you that garbage. There’s also no milk “stealing”. Modern cow breeds give way more milk than is required to feed the calf. In fact, most cows would get an udder infection if not molken regularly (and no, this isn’t just a problem for high performance cows).
You’ve never been even close to a real dairy farm and it shows!
You are right, I buy organic as often as I can to not support the spraying of poison. And I usually eat whole grains, as you suggested, as it is much healthier.
This ticks #9 of the Vegan Bullshit Bingo. I’m from Europe and our basic organic oatmilk comes with stuff made from algue, seeds and plant oils. This is used everywhere in foodprocessing. Look it up, no dangerous “chemicals” to be found. There are brands that add sugar and artificial flavor, sure. Udders milk has about 5% sugar (lactose) and oat milk usually doesn’t transcends this.
Half of the newborns are male and killed for veal, no? And the females get to be raised, milked and killed after a couple of years, so McDonald’s can sell you cheap beef burgers.
Vegan Bullshit Bingo #17: Cows need to be milked
We did that to them by breeding them like that. That’s Bullshit Bingo #32.
Also, if you don’t want to grow so much oat and soy because it destroys ecosystems and rainforests (#2), don’t feed animals, feed people! We’re losing like 80% of the calories by giving it to cows. Here is a graph from the BBC
I live like 200 meters away from a dairy farm, no shit. :)
the vast majority ( over 80% ) of soy is pressed for oil. the byproduct of that process is called soycake or soy meal, and it would be industrial waste if we didn’t feed it to livestock. that’s a conservation of resources.
It’s not a byproduct. 80% of global soy is grown to feed animals.
I don’t know where you got your stats, but according to the fao 17% of the weight of the global soy crop becomes oil, but a soybean is only about 20% oil in total. that means some 85% of the crop is pressed for oil. that byproduct being fed to livestock is a benefit.
I think I made by point and presented enough sources. I’m obviously not going to change your mind at this time.
have a nice day
I’ve looked at the USDA data about veal, and to my recollection it was less than 3% of calves that became veal
no
What happens to the other 97%?
they’re brought to full weight and slaughtered, or become dairy cows and produce milk
An example of what people accept as normal:
In 2020, 4.9 million dairy calves were born in New Zealand. Exact numbers are not collected on the outcome of each calf, but NZ dairy industry lobby organisation DairyNZ estimate that of those:
2 million (40%) were bobby calves, who are killed around a week after birth.
1.4 million (28%) were female cows kept by dairy farmers to replace the 20-30% of older cows who will be slaughtered every year when they are no longer deemed productive.
1.3 million (27%) were raised to maturity for beef. Beef animals are generally slaughtered when they reach maturity at around one and half years old.
196,000 (4%) were born dead or die shortly after birth.
doesn’t look like any of them become veal at all in nz.
What are you talking about? It says 40% are male and killed as veal within a week.
no matter how many times you edit your comment here, the text you linked won’t change
none of your stats showed veal production in nz.