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    8 hours ago

    Not exactly contradictions though.

    The ruling class can be lazy and weak, but also control the system. They can hire ruthless thugs to smash up any resistance which was there to hold them back.

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      As you say, it depends on how we interpret the words. It’s only a logical contradiction if “the left” is taken as a singular term rather than as a general description. The former is less charitable but it does happen.

      In any case, I’m willing to admit that I chose the title based on an alliterative flourish.

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    10 hours ago

    Just like Schrödinger’s immigrant who takes your job, while being unemployed.

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      13 hours ago

      For what it’s worth, Trump is weak in both body and mind, but he also has a disproportionate amount of influence, leading to that paradox.

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        Indeed, conservatives are stupid degenerates but they play at politics well enough to be in power or have a stranglehold on power if they don’t hold it.

        It’s a similar narrative, but the difference is that the one about the right is reality based. The conservative base is extremely stupid as are some of their politicians, but the ones planning things are ruthless psycho’s who are tactically smart.

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    Typical fascist rhetoric as per Umberto Eco:

    Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak”. On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.

    A fun exercise is also to try and see how many of the boxes you can check in regards to your government:

    • “The cult of tradition”, characterized by cultural syncretism, even at the risk of internal contradiction. When all truth has already been revealed by tradition, no new learning can occur, only further interpretation and refinement.
    • “The rejection of modernism”, which views the rationalistic development of Western culture since the Enlightenment as a descent into depravity. Eco distinguishes this from a rejection of superficial technological advancement, as many fascist regimes cite their industrial potency as proof of the vitality of their system.
    • “The cult of action for action’s sake”, which dictates that action is of value in itself and should be taken without intellectual reflection. This, says Eco, is connected with anti-intellectualism and irrationalism, and often manifests in attacks on modern culture and science.
    • “Disagreement is treason” – fascism devalues intellectual discourse and critical reasoning as barriers to action, as well as out of fear that such analysis will expose the contradictions embodied in a syncretistic faith.
    • “Fear of difference”, which fascism seeks to exploit and exacerbate, often in the form of racism or an appeal against foreigners and immigrants.
    • “Appeal to a frustrated middle class”, fearing economic pressure from the demands and aspirations of lower social groups.
    • “Obsession with a plot” and the hyping-up of an enemy threat. This often combines an appeal to xenophobia with a fear of disloyalty and sabotage from marginalized groups living within the society (such as the German elite’s “fear” of the 1930s Jewish populace’s businesses and well-doings; see also antisemitism). Eco also cites Pat Robertson’s book The New World Order as a prominent example of a plot obsession.
    • Fascist societies rhetorically cast their enemies as “at the same time too strong and too weak”. On the one hand, fascists play up the power of certain disfavored elites to encourage in their followers a sense of grievance and humiliation. On the other hand, fascist leaders point to the decadence of those elites as proof of their ultimate feebleness in the face of an overwhelming popular will.
    • “Pacifism is trafficking with the enemy” because “life is permanent warfare” – there must always be an enemy to fight. Both fascist Germany under Hitler and Italy under Mussolini worked first to organize and clean up their respective countries and then build the war machines that they later intended to and did use, despite Germany being under restrictions of the Versailles treaty to not build a military force. This principle leads to a fundamental contradiction within fascism: the incompatibility of ultimate triumph with perpetual war.
    • “Contempt for the weak”, which is uncomfortably married to a chauvinistic popular elitism, in which every member of society is superior to outsiders by virtue of belonging to the in-group. Eco sees in these attitudes the root of a deep tension in the fundamentally hierarchical structure of fascist polities, as they encourage leaders to despise their underlings, up to the ultimate leader, who holds the whole country in contempt for having allowed him to overtake it by force.
    • “Everybody is educated to become a hero”, which leads to the embrace of a cult of death. As Eco observes, “[t]he Ur-Fascist hero is impatient to die. In his impatience, he more frequently sends other people to death.”
    • “Machismo”, which sublimates the difficult work of permanent war and heroism into the sexual sphere. Fascists thus hold “both disdain for women and intolerance and condemnation of nonstandard sexual habits, from chastity to homosexuality”.
    • “Selective populism” – the people, conceived monolithically, have a common will, distinct from and superior to the viewpoint of any individual. As no mass of people can ever be truly unanimous, the leader holds himself out as the interpreter of the popular will (though truly he alone dictates it). Fascists use this concept to delegitimize democratic institutions they accuse of “no longer represent[ing] the voice of the people”.
    • “Newspeak” – fascism employs and promotes an impoverished vocabulary in order to limit critical reasoning.
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        Idk if you kind of picture us living in a hardcore mode video game where we die super easy and often painfully where the story just repeats forever but it’s an open world sandbox game where the pay-to-win always get their way

        Yeah it actually sounds worse when I start describing it like that nvm

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    Decades of cold war propaganda taught Americans to equate Marxist-Leninist vanguard parties with the left.

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    I mean, I apply all these labels to the conservatives. No contradiction, just different subgroups.

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      The ones at the top are lazy and weak. They hire people who want to get to the top (but never will) who are hard working and ruthless. They’re in control of the reins of power, but are also smashing the system because they want to destroy any remnants of checks and balances that could hold them back.

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    14 hours ago

    Someone would come up after the service and ask, “Where did you get those liberal talking points?”

    “What was alarming to me is that in most of these scenarios, when the pastor would say, ‘I’m literally quoting Jesus Christ,’ the response would not be, ‘I apologize.’ The response would be, ‘Yes, but that doesn’t work anymore. That’s weak,’”

    https://www.newsweek.com/evangelicals-rejecting-jesus-teachings-liberal-talking-points-pastor-1818706

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      And the best part is, you don’t have to try choosing the right one!

      Just slap it all on, and each republican will happily pick the one they like best and cling to it, while dismissing everything else as immaterial to whatever discussion they are in.

      See also: single issue voters.