The US has always been at the helm of NATO. The US Empire is the reason NATO exists, the EU is thoroughly vassalized and subservient to the US. If the US was kicked out of NATO (lol), NATO would crumble, and the EU would be forced to either trade more with Russia or China to make up for the utter loss of their position in the western imperial system. The EU cannot stand on its own, it depends on imperialism, and currently relies on the US sphere of influence to perpetuate itself.

NATO with 0 US arms or millitary power wouldn’t be nearly as effective. The EU could have its own treaty, but it would be entirely limited in capability.

@umbrella@lemmy.ml was talking about Maeruu complaining about Lemmy.ml as the bullshit, umbrella was not claiming Maeruu’s take was Marxist-Leninist and that is bad. Really not sure how you got that one confused.

So you’d rather we remain in NATO, terrorizing the global south, fully emboldened and screwing over the world? A US without NATO is one without the main imperialist army at its beck and call.

First, there’s no “fair share” with taxes, capitalism is built on unpaid labor as capital valorization. However, again, as a country, Slovenia benefits from Imperialism. The robust healthcare system and other social safety nets are largely paid for via the profits of imperialism. IKEA benefits from imperialism more than the carpenter, but also passes along its profits in higher wages and cheaper commodities. The reason IKEA and Slovenia does this is to depress revolutionary pressure and maintain profits. Thus, there is a labor aristocracy in the global north, and a super-exploited proletariat in the global south.

I’m confused why people are surprised at this, to be honest. It’s entirely expected.

I’d love it if that happened, but that would also mean the dissolution of NATO, so I don’t see why NATO would motion to kill itself voluntarily.

I recommend reading this article going over imperialism. Imperialism is the monopoly stage of capitalism, whereby capital seeks to exploit foreign markets and leverage economic and millitary power to get super-profits domestically. The Slovenian carpenter likely gets cheap nails and tools based on exploitation of the global south, and is paid with money gained by others based on that exploitation in other areas.

White supremacy is a huge factor, for sure, but don’t discount the economic factor; the US economy is built on imperialism, and without it would crumble.

The Albanians were also committing extreme ethnic violence against the Serbs. When NATO bombed Yugoslavia, it killed over 300 Albanian civilians and over 1700 Serbian civilians, destroyed 164 state-owned factories, and bypassed UN approval against NATO’s own charter. Not a single private, pro-western factory was bombed.

The real reason NATO bombed Yugoslavia was because Yugoslavia refused to become a colony. Yugoslavia had agreed to give up Kosovo, but wanted the FRY to retain political and economic soveriegnty, and prevent NATO occupation. NATO countered by wanting full access to the FRY’s communication, infrastructure, and territory. Yugoslavia refused, and then NATO bombed them.

NATO involvement was about economics, not a humanitarian concern. NATO wanted open and full access to as many markets as possible, even if it meant bombing those who go against them in any real way. Just like what’s going on with Israel and the US bombing Iran, and NATO countries like the UK and France assisting Israel in air defense.

There was immense nationalism and ethnic violence on all sides, which NATO used as justification to bomb thousands of civilians to death along with key infrastructure in order to prop up a western-friendly regime. NATO intervention didn’t help the awful situation, it only steered the outcome into the favor of the west at the expense of war crimes.

Even better, thanks! Truth Social wasn’t working on my phone, lol

Here’s France 24 reporting on it. Trump posted the tweet, it looks like, whether he made it up or not isn’t yet known. Neither option would be unsurprising. Not sure what your bone to pick with Lemmy.ml is. Plus, you made the authoritative claim that it’s fake, if you suspect it’s fake then just say that, don’t pretend you have definitive proof if you don’t.

He absolutely would, NATO is seen very negatively in the global south due to its constant aggression and its role in maintaining western imperialism. Just look at what happened to Libya, Yugoslavia, and even covert ops like Operation GLADIO.

This is Lemmy.ml’s World News community. Lemmy.ml users are not brigading their own World News community, lmao. The large proportion of Marxists on Lemmy.ml does lead to an anti-western bias, if you want a pro-western bias there are other World News communities like on Lemmy.world.

If you have proof that it’s fake I would like to see it, but this is a real truth social post from Trump even if he’s lying.

Trump has also leaked private messages before.

If Trump took the US out of NATO, he would genuinely be remembered as the harm reduction candidate for the Global South. Sadly, Trump would never actually be anti-NATO, US Imperialism depends too greatly on it.

NATO is just a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism, which is headed by the US Empire.

It isn’t really a quiet part, though, never has been. NATO has openly been a millitary alliance for the purpose of maintaining Western Imperialism headed by the US, no more and no less, since its inception.

It’s entirely expected, not sure why you’re in disbelief.