Interesting that Americans always argue that they need their guns in case the government goes rouge. So many comments say that they will get shot, because they absolutely look like kidnappers, yet nothing happens. Looks like you keep those guns around just for a higher suicide rate and school shootings.
So what are the chances these dudes couldn’t wear masks during covid cause it made it too hard to breath?
Why have no gun carrying Americans shot these fools yet?
Just dress the same way they do
Jeans, some walmart sweaters, shitty face masks and cheap baseball caps.
Come on America, you’ve got this.
Come on America, you’ve got this.
LOL. No they don’t.
They’ll bend over and take it like they always do.
It’s all that pesky risk of life imprisonment
I wrote a simple formula for it the other day actually
def shoot_masked_gunman(color, job): you = 2 if color == "white" else 0 masked_gunman = 100 if job == "cop" else 1 if you > masked_gunman : print("The justice system works!") else: print("Life without parole")Why are the first two ifs in infix notation and the third isn’t?
If people that looked like this showed up at my door, they’d be looking down the barrel of a shotgun. These morons are going to get shot.
Chances are you wouldn’t do anything, like all the other people seeing kidnappers with masks and doing nothing. Looks like the rest of the world was right when they told Americans that their arguments for keeping guns to prevent the government from going rogue was all talk.
I mean I bought my first gun because of what’s going on. Revolutions and wars have often been fought by only a few percent of a population. Most people work jobs and keep society plugging along while shit is done by a few.
You sound pretty flippant with people’s lives, why don’t you go grab a gun and suicide into an armed force for great justice? There’s a difference when you’re backed into a corner. If they’re at MY door, what else can be done but defend my life with my life? Hope I don’t get deported to a gulag without due process? Hope that court orders are obeyed when they haven’t been?
Other than that, I’ll wait until there’s an actual organized resistance than suicide by cop as a martyr. I have people I’m responsible for.
If they’re at MY door, what else can be done but defend my life with my life?
That’s what I meant with you wouldn’t do anything. First you’d still have other options and if ICE is at your door and you start shooting at them it will probably kill you faster.
You sound pretty flippant with people’s lives
That was not my intention. It totally get why nobody is doing anything, especially with guns, because of the consequences. I just pointed out that so many people in favor of armed civilians bring completely flawed arguments and now we actually see in action how useless a “regulated militia” is.
why don’t you go grab a gun and suicide into an armed force for great justice?
Why would I? I don’t have a gun and never argued in favor of armed civilians, because it’s completely useless (and research shows that it only increases the chances of domestic violence and suicide). Maybe it wasn’t useless at the time the constitution was written but the current situation shows that it is now. Besides that I live in Vienna.
What other options? Get disappeared to Venezuela?
“You see your honor, they were wearing ski masks, and I’ve been taught by Hollywood that a group of people wearing ski masks in the middle of the day with a black van means they are up to no good. So I took it to my own hands to shoot these motherfuckers down.”
Yet nothing in the news, because Americans are all talk.
Lets have another peaceful protest, it will work this time.
Not sure if you’re being facetious here
Its hard to know online but yeah, I was.
Don’t worry, we all know that your response to fascism is to do nothing.
Wait, that’s how they’re actually dressed? They just look like random people. The fact that they don’t get shot more speaks a lot about how well behaved the people they are kidnapping are.
They’re also going after the population that are probably the unlikeliest to own firearms. That being said, if you’re brown and not carrying a firearm and your “papers”, you should probably change your habits. Fuck me, it’s disgusting that this is the case in America.
I think they look more like a bunch of thugs than normal people.
They’d blend in a lot better if they didn’t look like old western bandits about to rob a train with those masks.
Cowards. All of them. I hope they all get doxxed.
https://icelist.info/
Got this from another lemmy user.
No badges, no uniforms, driving unmarked vehicles and wearing masks? Those are obviously kidnappers, Your Honor.
They wear masks for the same reason the Klansmen wore masks.
There is absolutely no proof that these people are ICE, or any other agents of the state. Do not assume masked strangers throwing people in vehicles are law enforcement. Especially if they don’t identify themselves.
We all need to stop making this assumption, and to start encouraging others to also not make this assumption.
My favorite so far is the people who follow these fuckers around with megaphones and broadcast the rights people have when dealing with ICE, numbers of local lawyers and advocates, and other instructions to help people either avoid the interaction or at least have a fighting chance to due process if they are detained.
What would be better is if, when people were being kidnapped by these brownshirts-at-home, the bystanders started beating these kidnappers to a bloody, gelatinous pulp. That way, the street sweepers could come and gently push their mouldering viscera where they belong: the gutter.
Remember: there is no evidence that these people have the force of law behind them. Citizens should not allow others to be kidnapped in broad daylight.
Absolutely. Numbers have power too. If you happen to be around when this happens do not let the eyes of those around you turn the other way.
Everyone is waiting for someone to say something. But no one has said anything so we all think “well, I guess I don’t know the whole story because no one ELSE is doing anything”. It’s quite a well documented human group behavior.
You need to be that first voice. You need to shake everyone else out of that thought. Because you know exactly what it is. It’s scary to be that first or second person to speak up.
But another well documented human behavior is that when someone goes to help, others join in, they get shaken out of their “freeze” and decide to fight.
Our society isn’t broken enough yet for people not to care when someone is being kidnapped. They just need you to call it what it is.
Just keep calling “ICE” liars. If they try to say they are federal agents just keep saying they are lying. Do everything to delay until you have enough support to make them feel afraid. Again, they are Nazis. They are not brave. They are scared little losers. Don’t let them feel safe to get out of their black vans.
One big worry is that if I fight these bastards, the Democrat-backed apparatus would arrest me for being in the wrong. I don’t want to get into a fight since I am poor and have no friends…but hopefully I have the guts to get involved, if my neighbors start being rounded up.
Part of the reason why ICE can do what it does, is because establishment politicians are not willing to support the concept of antifa. The failure to inspect ICE trafficking facilities, standing aside and letting police abuse protestors, the gentle approach regarding January 6th, and more, all contributes to a disbelief in the Democrats.
Hopefully, local leadership will start appearing. I want to join a ICE Breaker militia. Without support, legal and morale, I might not find it in myself to do what must be done. 😰
Not even remotely hyperbolic here, I 100% would assume they’re randos gang members or doing criminality attempting to kidnap then murder me, and I’d fight back accordingly. Not even a badge on a neck chain or belt clip jfc covered head to toe
Just the same as if a mugging becomes “get into the van” no you fucking shouldn’t because their goals are now no longer your property, but now your life
Never let the assailant take you to the secondary location.
Urban self defense classes have been teaching this since the 1970s, at least.
The secondary location these days is in El Salvador.
It’s 2025. America. You see these men on the street.
If you assume they are going to rob a bank dial 911.
If you assume they are going to lynch someone dial 911.
If you assume they are going to kidnap someone dial 911.
If you assume they are law enforcement then get your eyes checked. They aren’t wearing any identifying uniform, no insignia, no badges.
If you assume they are impersonating law enforcement then dial 911 and get your eyes checked.
Definitely don’t call 911. That just gives them more backup. They look like terrorists in the streets. It’s actually illegal here to wear a mask over your face while demonstrating or armed so they are under stand your ground territory
Easy there, boss. That depends heavily on what state you’re in. And the ones that have “stand your ground” and “castle doctrine” are usually the ones where local police are openly coordinating with ICE.
Yeah. Understand your ground you still get arrested when you kill someone. You don’t have to deal with the police you go straight to a local Judge, Who in my county has already ruled people shooting off duty police officers moonlighting as security is perfectly legal
If you stand your ground you still go to jail. Even if you are released you still got more inconvenienced than them.
As a white person I’m at minimal risk from them. But in order to stand your ground for another person they must have a legal right to be where they are. And if they are, in fact, not legally here, then bad things happen to you.
I might still go to jail, but I have taken all of them out so they will never be another problem.
The ones here don’t wear body armour because that would make them stick out more
If you don’t, it’s possible you’re going to a concentration camp. Think I rather get tried by a jury of my peers.
And what if they take your ID, claim you aren’t a citizen so you don’t get due process and then they deport you to a foreign prison?
Yo they have discussed suspending habeus corpus.
The only black bag I’m going in is a body bag.
Discussed? My dude it’s already been happening for months.
Better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
If someone wearing a balaclava and civilian clothes grabs you, I’m pretty sure it’s reasonable to stab them.
You can only use proportional force to defend yourself under stand your ground laws. If you stab someone that is only using their body parts then you go to jail. Will a jury convict? It will take a year or two to find out.
Not here. Self Defense was proportional response. Stand your ground means you can shoot someone who hasn’t even touched you if they break your car window
That’s not true in all states. In Florida, if you feel genuinely threatened, you can respond with deadly force, no matter what the other guy is threatening you with.
And people who write things like that and immediately got a stabbing are definitely not from the same area as you and I must be because whenI think of my self-defence weapon, it’s not my knife
