Raise your hand if you’re tired of Americans playing the victims while doing nothing
Raised, but I feel like one of them. There’s so little I feel like I can do. I was going to go to a protest but wound up taking a group of scouts to the Indian Museum. Felt like a much better, and more impactful use of my time, and it was magical watching those kids hang on the words of our tour guide, as she told us the story of how they won their land rights.
But that’s the long game, and I am terrified that the short term battles are not being fought.
So many of my friends have just given up, waiting for the next election to fix it. I don’t have any faith that will work though.
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by capitalists/christian nationalists. That’s been happening for hundreds and thousands of years, every time they gain power, no matter where or when. Republicans are relatively new to this game.
I’m also tired of society having to relearn this lesson at great loss of life and suffering, over and over.
We’re smarter than this, and we far outnumber them.
Im tired of the purely performative nonsense in modern democratic party as well. For the resources and votes that go their way they always find a way to deliver nothing, or actively betray us all. Supporting far rightwing genocide, pissing on progressives and progressive causes, and utterly ignoring the working class in the last ~10 elections (since Carter) are prime examples of this.
Time to toss the traitors out the door and clean this party out.
I’m not even American and… Yes
I’m tired of this country sucking all the fucking life out of me.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general. All Republicans are conservative, but many Democrats are as well. That needs to change.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC. We need to continue that. Primary every last conservative. Drive them from the DNC, drive them from politics, drive them from political discourse and public life. Authoritarianism must be crushed, Constitutional rights must be restored, and common sense policies for real people must be enacted. If we can’t achieve that, then all is lost and totalitarian neofeudalism will prevail.
Mamdani shows it’s possible to start the purge of the DNC.
Just worth saying again for the tankies that are very passionate, but seemingly not enough to vote or organize material change. As disappointing as the dems maybe they are still the home of the little progressive wing we have, and we should work into growing it.
Not just Republicans, conservatives in general.
You are correct! I tend to use the two interchangeably when I know that conservatives pushes out to a larger group.
And frankly, anyone who acts like this was just another election where one side lost is only slightly higher on the totem pole than conservatives are.
A part of purging the dem party means not voting for conservatives if they win the primary. There is a reason the conservatives win primaries despite having less popular policies than the progressives. A conservative dem losing a general purges the party of one more conservative who got us here.
This is a long standing plan mainly by the Heritage Foundation and the GOP. Musk hacked vote tabulations to deliver them a victory and they’re quickly dismantling America. They stand to inherit lifelong positions in the government without actual elections similar to Russia. There are less than a few thousand people responsible for all of this. Societies degrade rapidly under these scenarios. Remember them when if that happens.
Musk hacked vote tabulations
No he didn’t. Unfortunately, americans are just that stupid. Thats the same rhetoric conservatives were trying to use when they lied about dominion.
Ramapo 35 had democratic senator winning 80% of the vote and Harris received 0 votes. There is a lawsuit currently about this.
My grandpa killed Nazis so his son could become a Nazi
Title to a future song of a generation, right here.
I’m tired of both Democrats and Republicans destroying the future, and people pretending Democrats don’t because they do it slightly less
Inb4 somebody starts saying you are just demoralizing people by saying “both sides are bad”
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As an outsider you’re both just as bad as each other, Republicans and Democrats
They’re both horrible but one is less horrible than the other. When you only have two choices you choose the less horrible option because not choosing is choosing the worse option.
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It pains me that my fellow Americans cannot see this.
I’m tired of rich and/or petty people controlling us. We’re better than this.
We used to be. Currently we are not better than this.
No, we really weren’t. America has always been a pretty shit country to anyone who wasn’t owning class. Any good that came about during the course of this country’s existence was in spite of it not because of it.
There was a brief time under FDR where we were doing ok. Not much of a legacy to be proud of in light of all the years we got it wrong, but it at least shows we are capable of better.
FDR was simply concessions by the state to placate the working people from gaining class consciousness after a long period of working class uprisings. After that brief time was the rise of McCarthyism and the 2nd Red Scare to ensure that the American working class forever opposes left-wing, working class economics, setting the stage for their systemic dismantling of the few concessions we were granted by FDR.
Left or right we’re getting fucked one way or the other. The whole foundation’s been corrupted to the core.
It’s like every debate, any talk of politics is pointless and anything truly reasonable is quickly surpassed overpassed by political “sports team” entertainment while people with real [heartless] willpower continue to do what they do. And I mean that from the streets to the president. The corruption is the same essence and the same evil at any wealth status, education, or social position and all of it is the rotted part of the foundation the country is built upon.
Truth mate. This country and the entirety of its government is structurally designed to consolidate wealth into the hands of the owning class. It has been such for so long it is baked into our very culture of American society.
We need revolt and a new system of not only economics but of government that horizontally distributes authority throughout the community instead of concentrating it into a hierarchical structure that can be turned against us if the wrong person lands a seat of power.
Exactly. I worked in marketing… They can use everything. You hate America? They can profit off that. You love America? …they can profit of that. All the while partially guiding you to a preset life-path that they manipulate to profit off you even more. I honestly think genuine honest humanity is extinct. We are a culturally mutilated species at this point even physically in some cases. This isn’t living, they created a culture that is proud to be products, basically bought, sold, or traded for profit.
You don’t really have a left, not at the moment. It’s getting better but oh my god the disasters it took for your shithole country to start to rally…
It is wierd isn’t it. Like having grown up in the middle class I can see why so many ran to the Republicans. It’s a short sighted nostalgia party that preys on people who don’t pay attention or whov been indoctrinated to only watch right wing media.
But the hubris of the Democrats and even just some left leaning voters is kinda wild.
But the real problem is the lack of attention local elections get from average folks. Iv been guilty of this as well, and it buggers me good that I never really learned of their importance till I was already like 34
That seems like a completely nihilistic and empty view of politics. What do you even actually think a society that isn’t “corrupt” (or at least is less corrupt) could look like? How can you blame the people with no power at all just as much as the president?
Blaming everyone for everything is basically the same as blaming nobody for anything.
It’s fine to think that the vast majority of people believe in propaganda or are worried about things that don’t matter.
My main problem really is with you saying “any talk of politics is pointless”. It’s just complete doomerism.
Two groups that love to say “Both sides are the same.”
People on the Left who have given up hope.
People on the Right when they get caught being evil.
whereas centrists talk about doing good and then line up behind evil, then fingerwag like everyone else got it wrong.
The current state of the US is because of centrist leadership, so well done buddy.
How can you possibly conflate the people in the white house with centrists?
When your “left” is just Diet-Republicans that are less hateful on social issues? Your perspective makes total sense.
And to be fair? That is what the Democrats have served you. And I hate them harder then Republicans hate them. For this reason.
I would like to invite you to a Solution-Oriented American Left in Zohran Memdani, Eugene Debbs, or Bernie Sanders.
This is not the End of what the Left is. This is only where it Starts. we have entire books about the rich American history the Democrats-since-Clinton have entirely abandoned.
Nothing makes the Right happier than when someone on the Left says that there’s no hope.
Look at NYC. The Dem candidate for Mayor is being threatened with deportation and arrest for being a Communist.
The fight isn’t over until we give up.
No hope for the current system doesn’t mean no hope at all.
It means we need to change the system.
I’m tired of the future being destroyed by billionaires.
Who just so happen to wholeheartedly support the Republican agenda in the US, with the exception of Gates.
You don’t make billions by supporting fair wages, labor unions, health and safety regulations, affordable and accessible healthcare, social programs, socialized infrastructure, and higher taxes on the wealthy.
To be fair, there are plenty of billionaires backing the dems too, they’re just a bit more subtle about their intentions, but they are not pioneers of the working class.
Of course the dems getting in in 2024 mightve slowed the roll of fascism, but it would’ve just delayed it rather than solved any of the underlying issues. With the exception of some truly progressive members of the party, the dems are basically just there to uphold the status quo.
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I think you misunderstood the meme lol.
The meme is saying capitalists support both sides (dems and gop) so they come out on top over the working class
Ohhh I thought you were accusing me of being a capitalist because you misinterpreted me as playing the “both sides” argument (this is why i was confused, but i do see people saying this kind of shit online).
I see it now, carry on!
Most of the billionaires that back the republicans also back the democrats, and the democrats also have their fair share of billionaires funding/controlling their candidates all their own. It is a uni-party system that puts on a kabuki show of ‘right vs left’ for their entertainment. Stop buying tickets for it!
Yes exactly!!
I understand the frustration around those saying the parties are the same, I really do, because in the short term, the chaos of the Trump administration would not be happening if Kamala were to get in, but I’m personally extremely frustrated by people putting the dems/kamala on a pedestal as if they were going to do anything to actually help people.
It’s an oligarchy through and through. Kamala wouldve prevented a lot of the mass deportation, but she wouldn’t have prevented the wars across the world, and she would’ve done very little to close the wealth gap between rich and poor.
The only thing that’ll cause real change is for the working class to finally realize that the billionaires are our real enemy and there are a lot more of us than there are of them.
Yeah, people forget that Democrats have fully adopted Republican immigration policy. Look at the actual deportation numbers. They were higher under Obama than under Trump. Trump is just a lot louder about it. And Kamala supported building the border wall.
Billionaires bankroll both parties, what are you talking about
Yes but somehow those are way less agressive at taking away your rights and even try to make the world moderately better. It’s the difference between the guys hacking holes in the boat and the ones not fixing the holes fast enough. Sure, both are letting the boat sink, but there does seem a serious difference.
I quite enjoy that analogy, thank you.
You can blame only Republicans which even if they disappeared wouldn’t solve the issue, or you can acknowledge that both parties are corrupted by oligarchs and PACS
Apparently a lot of people don’t mind being oppressed as long as the oppressors have decorum
While I agree with your premise, its very disingenuous to imply a lot of issues wouldnt be solved/improved if Republicans blinked out of existence like a Thanos Snap.
Republicans blinking out of existence doesn’t solve the fundamental issues of capitalism that inevitably lead people to those ideologies.
Those systemic forces still exist, a new version of them would simply take their place when people tie their personal interests to the interests of capital.
and shit like this is why stuff will never get fixed.
because rather than actively embrace a solution that deals with 50% of the issue, you actively dismiss it and act like anything that doesnt deal with 100% of the problem, immediately and wholly, is a waste of time.
Thus, instead of steady progress, we have a steady march into decline.
I do agree there are some issues that would not be there without the Republicans, that’s not what I’m saying but rather saying only blaming the Republicans doesn’t solve the real issues we have
I think you both agree that it’s more complicated than that and it’s a systemic thing effecting both parties. I think he just wrote it differently than you read it
Yes they both suck, yes Republicans suck worse, but I think you’re missing some important nuance of exactly how the Democrats suck. Let’s game this out:
If 77 million of the dumbest shitheads ever to walk the Earth were to simultaneously, spontaneously implode tomorrow, everything would change. But especially the Democratic Party. The party leadership would not be able to keep doing what it had been doing. Their whole game requires the Republicans to exist as a credible threat for what’s going to happen if you don’t keep giving them money and settling for whoever they foist on you. They always try to run the furthest-right soulless hack they possibly can, so they calculate what the threshold is that would make enough people say “fuck this, I’m sitting this one out” to throw the race to the Republican, and aim just to the left of that. So, with every single Trump fan or likely R voter gone ( and nothing of value lost ) the entire electorate is now split- pretty evenly on age lines- between the proudly centrist, CNN-watching Biden 2020 primary voters, and the angry progressive left who’s been holding their nose and voting for the lesser of two evils their whole life.
The Democratic party can only pick up the first group. Democratic Socialists take the other group. Nonvoters become a much smaller group, and third parties remain negligible. Now the only way for the Democratic party to survive (Especially since the c-suite and board of directors of most of their corporate donors just went poof, so those companies restructured as co-ops…) is to keep running the only play they know- unilaterally compromise and triangulate with the other party. So what they do now is move as far left as they can get away with without losing their base, who they’re already losing to old age.
Republicans: categorically awful on every single issue
Democrats: Not that
Babies: waaaah I want a competitive party that matches my opinions on every single issue
Find me one major party in the entire world that matches your personal ideals 100%. Spoiler: it doesn’t exist, unless you happen to be a king or dictator of an authoritarian state.
Two party systems means you have two parties with distinct ethics, and one party winning consistently means the country’s ethics will shift over time in the favor of that winning party. So keep spite voting against Democrats and see where that gets you.
Edit: you know why the Democrats are similar to Republicans on so many issues? Because Republicans keep winning elections.
Sorry your getting downvoted for making the children here uncomfortable.
It’s not about opinion, there is scientific studies that give you evidence how the democratic interest of the vast majority is not represented, but the rich.
There are also historical theories that explain why this neo-fascism was the inevitable outcome of neoliberal policies, because material conditions degraded. That’s why it’s happening everywhere, not just the US.
The democrats shifted to the right, or away from social democratic policies since Trump not because they are winning strategies - but because they know the alternative for the voter is even worse. So policy not according to being able to win, but being able to gain and maintain power (donors, influence) and wealth.
Policy currently has absolutely nothing to do with ideals, ethics or ideology. Those are just pretty words sold to the masses.
You’ll need drastic changes, a purge and redistribution of wealth and power and the news and social media.
There are leftists trying to gain a foothold in the Democrat party, and some are succeeding (see the latest New York mayoral primary).
Many people ignore primaries, though. You know who does vote in primaries? Older more moderate voters. So progressives tend to lose primaries, then the people who didn’t bother with the primaries complain there aren’t progressive enough candidates in the main elections, so they don’t vote.
If you want more leftist candidates (within the FPTP system), support progressive candidates and show up to the primaries.
Extreme leftist don’t vote then wonder why a candidate doesn’t try to earn their vote.
Thanks for sharing your feelings with us
Does the truth upset you?
No, your feelings don’t hurt me. Unless you can provide some fact based evidence, you are simply sharing your ignorant feelings.
Actually, why don’t you go vote instead?
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